Which Version of QuickBooks is Best and What's the Cost?

When it comes to QuickBooks, there've been many changes in pricing and versions recently.  In this episode of Smart Tech Spending, accountant and Certified QuickBooks Pro Advisor, Ryan Dickinson of Dickinson & Co., CPA'S joins me to shed light on the key differences between the desktop and online versions to help you decide which version is best for your company.  Ryan shares essential points to consider and hidden costs to avoid before making a version change or subscribing for the first time.   

Key Takeaways
- The benefits and limitations of the desktop and online versions of QuickBooks
- The financial impact of QuickBooks subscription pricing changes
- How to keep costs of transitioning from the desktop to the online version down
- How to test QuickBooks Online before enrolling (see link below)

Ryan’s Bio
Ryan Dickinson is an accountant with Dickinson & Co., CPA's in Buena, NJ.  With 20 years of auditing and accounting experience as well as a being a Certified QuickBooks Pro Advisor, Ryan is the "go to" person when it comes to QuickBooks for the firm's clients.

Discussed in this episode:  Test Drive QuickBooks Online

Connect with Ryan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-dickinson/99a6442a
Contact Ryan: ryan@dickinsoncpas.com
Dickinson & Co., CPA's:  https://www.dickinsoncpas.com

Connect with Nicole: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolelefsky
Contact Nicole:  nicole@jerseyitgroup.com
Jersey IT Group’s Website: https://www.jerseyitgroup.com

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Chapters

• 0:35 Introduction and Common Questions
• 4:51 Subscription Pricing Changes
• 10:01 Comparison of QuickBooks Online V. Desktop
• 20:55 Challenges of Transitioning Between Versions
• 25:48 Hidden Costs When Changing Versions

Transcript

00:00:00] Ryan Dickinson: I see a lot of people tending to like the idea of linking your bank account, which I tend to steer people away from because it does cause more harm than good in most cases.

[00:00:12] Smart Tech Spending: You're listening to Smart Tech Spending, a podcast designed to help businesses gauge the success of their technology investments. If you're looking to overcome the challenge of measuring the ROI of technology tools and services, avoid unplanned expenses and uncover hidden costs, you've come to the right place. Let's get into the episode.

[00:00:34] Nicole Lefsky: Hello and welcome to this episode of Smart Tech Spending. Today's show is focused on QuickBooks - common questions and concerns around QuickBooks and some of the changes that have taken place in the last year or so. One of the most common questions we're posed with is, "Should your company switch from the, or should our company in this case, switch from the desktop version to the online version." Also, we want to help give you clarity around subscription pricing changes that have been rolled out so you can properly plan and budget.

[00:01:09] So, joining me today is Ryan Dickinson. Ryan is an accountant with Dickinson and Company CPAs, and he has over 20 years of auditing and accounting experience, and he is a QuickBooks Certified Pro Advisor. So he comes with lots of knowledge and helpful information regarding QuickBooks, and hopefully will answer lots of our questions that we have.

[00:01:33] So Ryan, welcome.

[00:01:35] Ryan Dickinson: Thanks for having me.

[00:01:36] Nicole Lefsky: It is our pleasure. So, Ryan, I introduced you, obviously, but tell us a little bit about your experience, your role at Dickinson and Company CPAs with respect to QuickBooks and how you're currently supporting the needs of your clients who are using QuickBooks or should be using QuickBooks or something like QuickBooks.

[00:01:59] Ryan Dickinson: Well, first of all, thank you for that introduction. And my role at Dickinson and Company is we're, we're a small family-owned business. My father started the company. Gosh, it's got to be about 15 years ago at this point. And he's been doing this for as long as I can. I mean, before I was born. So, it's been a while.

[00:02:20] I came on board about 15 years ago. Quickly with joining my father. Cause I did come, as you said, I have audit experience as well. So I'm from the Atlantic city area. And, I worked for the casinos in the audit department for about six years out of college. And then I joined about 15 years ago, when my dad branched out on his own, I joined the firm.

[00:02:44] And shortly thereafter I became the IT guy, well, in addition to you guys, but I'm the in-house IT guy, I should say. And partly what comes along with that is QuickBooks cause we are an accounting firm and do work with many different types of businesses. And along with that comes, you know, your bookkeeping and record keeping and accounting, accounting records and all that good stuff. So we tend to you know, we, we, we don't really care which software you're using as long as you're, you have some good type of record keeping. So most of the time that, that falls under the QuickBooks umbrella.

[00:03:20] Most people use QuickBooks. That's just my experience. It's a good bang for your buck and it's pretty user friendly and a lot of companies, especially the ones that we deal with, do use QuickBooks.

[00:03:31] So, my particular role is after joining the firm is I got certified with the ProAdvisor program that Intuit offers, which basically just tests your knowledge of, you know, the different areas in QuickBooks and really all things QuickBooks. So, the different versions, converting, integrating, you know, all that good stuff. So I do I mainly work with our business clients to you know, make sure that all their QuickBooks needs are, you know, if they have questions, they usually call. I've, we've set people up from scratch that are coming over from different softwares and you know, just new companies that want to get going on QuickBooks, we'll set them up and you know, pretty much all things QuickBooks.

[00:04:16] So I'm the QuickBooks guy in the office. So usually when there's a QuickBooks question, they call me. We do have a couple other accountants that do similar things that I do that have the same, you know, knowledge base, but most of the time it's goes to me when. it falls to QuickBooks' questions.

[00:04:31] Nicole Lefsky: Lucky you, right? Well, that, that knowledge is so helpful because so many organizations use it. I know tons of our clients use it and what we've seen, and you and I can talk for a minute about the history of QuickBooks. Because for many years, it was a software program that, you know, you purchased and when you were ready to upgrade, or you wanted some of the newer features or for security updates purposes or, a payroll table needing to be updated, then you went maybe and upgraded to the newer version of which there were typically versions annually, right? And you would pay a flat fee and install the new version.

[00:05:14] But recently in the past year or two, we've heard a lot of buzz around a lot of people being concerned about whether or not their companies needed to go to the online version. Is that a better option for them? Can you help us get some clarity around what's going on in terms of requirements? Who has to make the decision about making a change? And then we can talk a little bit about when it would be appropriate if it's not necessarily a requirement. to either stay with the desktop version or move to the online version, or maybe start with the online version, whatever, you know, whatever plays into that decision making process.

[00:05:53] Ryan Dickinson: Well, as you said, you know, QuickBooks has been going through a lot of changes recently. One of the biggest ones that kind of skated under the radar was as of July 31st, they're no longer accepting new desktop users for the lower two tiers of QuickBooks.

[00:06:10] So really the QuickBooks Desktop that you can currently purchase if you're a new user is the Enterprise version, which is into its highest level it's their highest platform. It's their most robust system. It's, it's, it's their best product in my opinion, but it also comes with the price, you know, so it's also their most costly software.

[00:06:30] But to kind of backtrack on that a little bit is like, as you said, you know, when you years ago, you, you buy the product, it was a one-time buy for most people because they, you know, unless you were really using in house payroll you really didn't need to upgrade because basically every three years QuickBooks would say, you know we'll support it for a three year window and then at the end of that three years you basically need to upgrade. If you weren't using payroll, you didn't necessarily have to upgrade.

[00:07:00] I mean we had, you know, small one-man bands or smaller businesses that were operating 2010 QuickBooks up until recently, you know, so you know, it was a one-time purchase. So Intuit kind of realized that, hey, if we want returning customers and an additional revenue, which is smart business model you know, we're going to have to come up with this subscription base.

[00:07:22] So that's really where the online came into play, in my opinion, is they realized, you know, we can get people on a monthly for an annual fee and start charging people regularly versus these one time, you know customers and then, basically, they don't come back for 10 plus years, if that. So where that came into play is you know like I said every three years you would have to purchase the new software if you were using payroll because you did need those new payroll tables, so that was really the only time you had to upgrade.

[00:07:52] A couple of years ago, they started introducing the annual fee and they started out with Enterprise. They said, all right, for our Enterprise users, we're going to start charging an annual fee. And you know, their, their prices fluctuate daily. I don't really know where the prices are, but. They do offer them on their website. You can see what the current prices are. And for most new users, they have some type of like 50 percent off discount. So, if the price, the way that that worked was that they started with Enterprise, with the annual subscription, and then they started moving into the lower tiers. So there used to be three tiers, which was the Pro, Premier, and then the Enterprise, being the highest, Pro being the lowest.

[00:08:31] Recently, they said, we're not going to take on new customers for Premier and Pro. Now they didn't really advertise that as well as, you know, some people would maybe think -that they were going to kind of cut out these two versions of QuickBooks ,that, let's face it, for most of the mid to small businesses that's the product that they needed because that's all they, you know, Enterprise is very high level, so you can still get it and use the desktop version, but you know, you might not need the full capabilities of it. That's usually for the larger businesses.

[00:09:06] With that being said, if you're an existing member, they still offer the annual subscription to those two middle levels, but new subscribers, they will not. And then the online version, they do offer the monthly subscription and there's, I believe three different levels that you could subscribe to depending on what your needs and, you know, number of users is usually like your barometer as far as what level you need.

[00:09:30] Nicole Lefsky: So a lot of changes.

[00:09:31] Ryan Dickinson: A lot, a lot of changes, especially recently, cause that July 31st was a big, big date that, you know, if you're a new user, you can no longer, you know, it's, it's kind of pointing you in that online. Which they've been pushing that for quite a while now is, you know, join online, join online. And I'd say about two, three years ago is really when they started making that push and sent, when they first came out with the online version, it was, it was way off, as far as I'm concerned is, you know, compared to the desktop, the capabilities of it, it just wasn't there. Since then, they have come a long way and they're closer.

[00:10:10] I still prefer the desktop version, but I do understand the pros for, for the online users. I mean, it does, there are different things that really makes sense. We can get into that if, you know, if you'd like, but the online versions do offer some benefits that the desktop does not.

[00:10:28] Nicole Lefsky: Yeah, let's jump into that now. I think that would be great.

[00:10:31] Ryan Dickinson: Okay, well, so the online version, so one of the main things that I've seen, you know, with our customers, they might have, you know, an owner who has a Mac in a, you know, in the office. They have a PC, you know, Windows based computer, and they wanted to operate two different platforms. The Apple product and the Windows versions.

[00:10:53] So the online version, what's nice about that is that all it is, is you just need to log into an internet provider and you can access the program and it doesn't matter if you're on Apple or you're on Windows. So that's, I've had a client that, you know, we had to do that for, because of that was strictly the reason, no other reason other than the owner wanted to use his, his Mac computer and, you know, they wanted it in the office. They didn't want to switch that around. So that's one of the benefits is that you can cross platforms.

[00:11:23] Another thing that people tend to like on the online version is that you can access it from anywhere. So if you're out on the road, you know, you can, you can get it from your from your phone or your laptop. You know, all you need is an internet access to access that. You don't necessarily have to be plugged into your network or sitting in front of your desk at the office or anything like that. So, the options to access it pretty much wherever you are is definitely the benefit there.

[00:11:51] I see a lot of people tending to like the idea of linking your bank account, which I tend to, steer people away from, because it does cause more harm than good in most cases, because it links to your bank account and it pulls in but a lot. You still have to tell it where to go, you know, which bucket to drop into, whether that's an expense or an income account and which one that you should put it in. Now the automatic linking doesn't always get it right. So, you really have to be on top of it and kind of know what you're doing, if you are going to link your bank account. But most of the time it's better just to enter it manually. Reconcile your bank account and do things that way versus just the link because the automation sounds nice but, trust me, to clean it up is a lot more work than just doing it the manual way. So I tend to steer people away from the linking even though that is a It's great in theory, but usually doesn't work out the best.

[00:12:48] So that's, you know, that's mainly the benefits of the online version is that accessibility and different platforms that you can use and just all you need is an internet connection versus the desktop version, which in my opinion is a far superior product, but you do have those limitations. You have to be in your office, if you're connected to the network or, you know, whatever the case may be. That is clearly something that you have to consider. You know, what are your needs and what are you looking for and you know, what's important to you.

[00:13:19] We have clients, they picked the Enterprise version because of the permissions that you can grant. So the access levels, if you have multiple users, you can grant specific access within the Enterprise version. You know, I want them to see this. I don't want them to see this. That's one of the benefits of the desktop Enterprise versus the Online, because on the online version, you can assign user roles, but it's more of like a generic, you know, accounts, accounts, payable role, accounts, receivable role, you know, whatever falls within that role is really what they have access to. So it's not as specific as picking and choosing exactly what you want that user to see and not to see. Some of the permissions are better in the desktop version versus the online.

[00:14:07] It actually depends on who you ask because the people that start out on online now are kind of saying, hey, "I really like this and I like this", but they don't also know what the counterpart is on the desktop version.

[00:14:19] So it can be, it really just depends on what you are looking for. That's it. usually the phone calls that I get is, "Hey, this is what I'm looking for." And then my first question is, "Well, what's most important to you?" And they might say permissions or they might say, "Hey, I want to be able to access it from my car." You know, this or that. So really, we try and work with our clients to see what their needs are. And then determine which program would be better for them.

[00:14:45] Nicole Lefsky: Yeah, it's interesting. The only way around that, well, to create a hybrid of where you have it installed on your network and you still want that flexibility of, say, working from home, is to have your I.T. Company give you remote access, right? And then you don't have to use the hosted version. You can use the more robust version and you're currently already enrolled in it, because obviously you said that if you're new to QuickBooks, you can't even get it on the desktop version.

[00:15:14] Ryan Dickinson: They don't offer it.

[00:15:15] Nicole Lefsky: Right.

[00:15:15] Ryan Dickinson: Supposedly.

[00:15:16] Nicole Lefsky: Right, but you know, it's interesting when you talk about the linking into your bank account, sometimes features are great for automation, but you're right, if they don't land the way that you're managing things from a budgeting and an accounting perspective, it ends up being more work than it's worth.

[00:15:34] So, and, and there's security issues with it too. You know, their security has to be enabled. It's a lot of, it's buyer beware. And if the automation is working, but it's not set up by the company using it with the proper security in place, that can create an issue too. So, good points.

[00:15:54] Now, one thing we haven't yet talked about is if, if a company is currently using Pro or Premier, they saw a bit of a change in the subscription. So, there was a subscription implemented, right? It used to be that you bought the software and then you got the updates, what have you, support for a certain period of time, like you mentioned, three years typically, and then you didn't update upgrade till you really needed to upgrade or you had a desire to upgrade.

[00:16:19] So then Intuit changed things a bit, I think, what about two years ago now? And they instituted an annual subscription fee, right? Even if you already had the software. Can you shed a little light on that and what that entails?

[00:16:32] Ryan Dickinson: Sure. I kind of briefly touched on it as far as when they went to the subscription basis for Enterprise, but shortly following that is when they started going, if you wanted QuickBooks Premiere Pro, which were the two lesser versions of QuickBooks. Both great in their own right, but those were really the main ones that most people use. And they did implement, if you wanted that program, if you bought it, it wasn't a one-time fee, it's an annual subscription. Same thing as, you know, the Enterprise or online version. They really went to the subscription base for all platforms, for all their different versions that they offer.

[00:17:10] Whereas before, they used to, if you did do in house payroll through QuickBooks, they would get you for an annual payroll subscription and then sometimes an annual or per month per employee cost as well. But that was really for only the in house, which if you weren't doing payroll, like you said, you know, you would have that one-time fee and that was it. But they did implement about, like you said, about two, three years ago, they started moving to that annual subscription for, Pro, Premiere and Enterprise as well as the online version. That's also a monthly fee.

[00:17:45] Nicole Lefsky: So we find that a lot of software manufacturers typically move to a hosted option for a few reasons but instead of supporting all these versions that are in existence and used by people who like the software, in this case, Intuit made a company decision to no longer support, as they've done in the past, they'll say, you know, as of a certain date, we're no longer going to support these older versions.

[00:18:13] But if you were running the older version on your internal system, it didn't really matter unless, like you said, you were using payroll or you needed tax tables. But from a hosting perspective, aside from, you know, some people will say, "Oh, you know, are they just following the trend of everything becoming hosted?"

[00:18:29] I can understand where they're coming from to some degree, because Internally, they made a business decision that they wanted to support certain versions and in order to really do that well, they put it in a hosted platform so they could manage it and it would minimize some of the, I'm sure, support calls that they were getting. Why isn't it working on my system? I installed it and you know, running into things.

[00:18:53] When companies, when software companies provide a hosted option, which so many do now, if not all, it allows them to close the gap of some of the support issues that they have, because they're not dealing with, in this case, probably hundreds of thousands of people or businesses using their product on different systems and having to iron out those wrinkles. They can just say, here's our system on our platform, and you're going to log in and use it, But we control it.

[00:19:19] From a management perspective, I can see the benefit to them, but it hits the bottom line, right? It affects the checkbook. And when a company is used to paying a flat fee or a nominal fee every so many years, and then it goes to being an annual subscription, it's something they just need to think about. They need to plan for it appropriately.

[00:19:38] Let's say you have a company that does choose to use the hosted platform. It makes sense for their structure, their business, their employees, how they want to be set up. What are some of the steps that they should take that you would recommend that they do once they make that decision to switch?

[00:19:54] Ryan Dickinson: Great question. I would actually like to touch on one thing that you kind of mentioned in your great points that you just made. One of them being, as far as the hosted version, that's another great option for the Online. We've had a couple of clients recently that have very industry specific software, you know, internal management systems, and they integrate with the QuickBooks online version. So it makes a lot of sense for them because it doesn't integrate with the desktop. So really, they almost have to use the online version and because of their industry management system, it's kind of seamless, you know, so that does make a lot of sense. So I did want to point that out.

[00:20:30] But to your point and her question about, you know, you've made the decision to switch to QuickBooks. What do you do now? Now, depending on whether you go to the desktop version or the online version, there's similar processes.

[00:20:42] Nicole Lefsky: Let's start with a common question we get, which is "We've been using the Pro version and we're considering moving to QuickBooks Online."

[00:20:53] Ryan Dickinson: Okay. So in that scenario, if you're going from desktop to Online, they do make it, I wouldn't say seamless, but it's, it's a lot easier to get from the desktop version to online version, because that's really what they, in the long run, I think, are trying to get you to do anyway. So, going from desktop to Online. They do make as easy as a conversion can be. I'm sure that you guys have seen a million conversions that just go sideways. So conversions can be tough, but that particular one is, is fairly simple. You basically go into your desktop program and there is a, a doc, a way to save it so that you can upload that into the online version. And they do say that they offer support, but, sometimes it's limited support. Sometimes the person that you get might not be the most helpful. I've had good ones and bad ones. So that's, you know, that could go either way.

[00:21:47] But going from the Pro version to the online version is just a matter of going into your QuickBooks, saving it a specific way, and then importing it once you're in the online version. And it kind of goes pretty smoothly as smoothly as a conversion can go, like I said.

[00:22:04] So but going the other way, that that's a different story. If you're trying to go from online, you know, cause we've had clients that have gone to the online version said, "I hate this." And then they go back to the desktop version and that's not as easy. So, you know, hopefully in those scenarios, not enough time has passed. So you can kind of just say, Hey, you just, you know, redo the last month or two that, you know, you were using the online version to make that more.

[00:22:29] Because like I said, going from the online to desktop, you have to extract all the lists, format it a specific way, and then import it that way. Your customer list, your item lists, your vendor lists, employee lists, all the lists. You can export it to Excel and then import into the desktop version, which, if you're formatting a couple thousand you know, item lists, it can be a little tedious. But it's doable. We've done it in the past, but going from Online to desktop is by far the more difficult option.

[00:23:03] Nicole Lefsky: What has been the disappointing factor if there's been something that you've seen consistently with some of your clients who have gone from using the desktop version to the online version? What is it that they didn't like when they got to the online version? Enough to go through the headache of going back.

[00:23:18] Ryan Dickinson: Just, you know, reliving some nightmares. No, I think, I think most people, for the most part, aren't that happy for change, just in general, you know, just people just seem to not like change in general.

[00:23:34] So if you're used to a specific thing, a program, you know, you've been using it forever, and you just do things and it's kind of second nature. The online version is, is, is different, you know. It is still user friendly. You know, especially, like I said, if you've never used desktop, you'd be like, this is great. You know, I've, it's very user friendly and this or that, but, you know, I just think it's just changing. It's different. It looks different. It acts different, you know.

[00:24:01] In the desktop version, you can, there's actually an option that says "Open Windows List". So you can have, you know, a whole bunch of reports and you can hop around and it's just one click and you're jumping around from your, you know, your P&L to your Chart of Accounts. And it's very simple and seamless. Whereas with the online version, you have a tab open and say like Google Chrome, you know, you have one tab open. You have to go through all the steps and it's page by page. It's not jumping around as easy, which is one of my least favorite things about the online version. Because when I'm in QuickBooks, I usually have about 10 windows open and I'm hopping around between all of them.

[00:24:40] But with our users and our clients, they just, I think it's more just the appearance and they're used to a specific way of doing things and it just takes a little bit getting used to as far as the appearance and how you, there's just different steps. So, I don't know that they necessarily hate the functionality of it versus they're not comfortable with it and it's learning something new when they feel like it should be, you know, these three steps and then that's how they reconcile their bank account. Versus, you know, now I got to go into this window and there's a gear icon that's, you know, it's just different. It's, it's set up differently, but I think for the most part, I think it's just change really.

[00:25:20] Nicole Lefsky: But you know, it's a good point that you bring up because looking at that transitional period, you have to account for that, no pun intended. You know, and when you as a company decide to implement something new, you're going digital from having hard copies of everything, which was big in the accounting industry years ago. You know, it started. It's still evolving to that, right? As well as many companies, or you institute a new software program that's going to help you run your business a little bit better, your practice a little bit better, more efficiently. You kind of plan for that. There might be time to learn the program. There might be official training from the company that you're buying it from or the distributor. But when you already have something and you're transitioning to a new version of it, you don't always think about that period of time that you're going to need to adjust and learn. And so is your staff. So you need to build that in right and plan strategically when you're doing this kind of change, maybe to do it in the slower part of your year or a certain time, you know, of the month away from important deadlines and things relative to that company's business operations.

[00:26:23] Ryan Dickinson: Right. That's certainly a factor, you know, when, when you're considering the desktop version, which costs X, and then it's like, well, that costs this much annually, I can get this online version for this, but what are the other factors? You know, like you said, like training your staff, if you're used to desktop, there's not a lot of, there's not a big learning curve there. It's just, it's just kind of, you just go. Cause the Enterprise version looks exactly like the Pro and Premier. It just has a lot more, you know, embedded options as far as the, you know, inventory advanced reporting and stuff like that, so. The Enterprise is going to look exactly the same versus an online version that's going to look different and you're going to have different steps.

[00:27:03] So, yeah, I mean, that is certainly a cost factor is getting up to speed on the new program or software that you're using. So, definitely.

[00:27:12] Nicole Lefsky: All really good points that you brought up. And I think when we were talking previously, you had mentioned that there is a demo, right? So if a company is considering the online version, can they play around with it and just do a demo just to see as they get comfortable with it. And just look and see what it's like or work with their, if they have a member, I know many accounting firms sometimes there's a person like yourself, who's a QuickBooks Pro Advisor, if they're lucky enough, and then they can, inundate someone like yourself with all these questions. Is there a demo available of the online version? I'm assuming.

[00:27:44] Ryan Dickinson: I know that there used to be, and I'm sure that there still is. Cause like, like I said, , that's where they want you to go. And I mean, most businesses, they'll give you that little seven-day trial period. I'm almost positive. I know that there was at one point, so I believe that there still is, but yeah, you used to be able to give it a test drive and see if you liked it and play around with it. And they used to have a sample company that you can kind of, you know, plug in invoices and so you weren't worried about affecting your records and stuff like that. So it wasn't actually affecting your documents per se, versus just being able to go in there and create things and not have it really mess anything up. Just test the program out.

[00:28:25] Nicole Lefsky: Yes. Well, I think that we touched on all the key points, and I know that the clients that have asked us questions about whether or not they should upgrade, you certainly provided lots of answers to them.

[00:28:36] So I just want to thank you for joining me today and having this conversation. I know that QuickBooks is a key program for businesses. you know, in varied sizes, varied industries, almost every client that we have has had it at one time or still uses QuickBooks, or a different version of it based on their business's needs. So it's been very helpful to have you shed some light on these issues that I know there's been some confusion around.

[00:29:03] So thank you so much for coming on. If a listener today would like to reach out with questions or get in touch with you, what would be the best way that they reach out to you?

[00:29:15] Ryan Dickinson: You can email me, you can call our office we're a small office so, you can usually get a hold of me or somebody that can help you, but the phone number is 856-213-5333.Or my email address is rgd@dickinsoncpas.com. So that's D I C K I N S O N C P A S. com. Find me on LinkedIn. I got my contact information in a bunch of different places. So or you can just reach out to Nicole and she can share my email address. But yeah, if you've got any questions, you know, I'm happy to answer.

[00:29:50] If I could say anything else, I would just say, you know, with QuickBooks and which version you use, I would suggest you reach out to your IT people, your accountants, and just make sure it's a right fit for you. And I wouldn't necessarily get so frustrated by, you know, it doesn't look like I'm used to, or this or that as, as much as does it fit your needs?

[00:30:10] Cause I think that's the most important thing. Cause you will get used to whichever program you're using. So I think the better fit is, is really what you're looking for. So.

[00:30:18] Nicole Lefsky: Thank you so much. I appreciate you so much coming on today. It was a great time having you here.

[00:30:23] Ryan Dickinson: My pleasure, Nikki. Had a blast.

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